The Biblical Mind
The Biblical Mind is dedicated to helping its audience understand how the biblical authors thought, promoting Bible fluency through curious, careful reading of Scripture. It is hosted by Dr. Dru Johnson and published by the Center for Hebraic Thought, a hub for research and resources on the intellectual world of the Bible.
The Biblical Mind is dedicated to helping its audience understand how the biblical authors thought, promoting Bible fluency through curious, careful reading of Scripture. It is hosted by Dr. Dru Johnson and published by the Center for Hebraic Thought, a hub for research and resources on the intellectual world of the Bible.
Episodes

Friday Dec 03, 2021
Three Grinches in a Pod: Complicating Christmas
Friday Dec 03, 2021
Friday Dec 03, 2021
It's that time of year again.
It's the time when those who hate eggnog, pretty lights, cheery music, presents, and joy itself crawl out of their dark, barren hovels, bent on ruining Christmas.
Well, we aren't those people. Let us have our winter festival, says Dru. Let us have our (modest) presents, says Celina. Let us have our feasting, says Amy.
But we all ask, what does the winter festival of American Christmas really have to do with the first and second comings of Jesus Christ? Are traditional Advent practices a straightforward way to redeem the holiday? Do we even want to put the "Christ" back in "Christmas"?
Join Dru, Celina, and Amy as they discuss how we might faithfully improvise rituals of waiting and celebration to help us remember our place within the story of God's promise to the nations through Israel.
0:30 Rushing and conflating—why we're grumpy
6:08 Calling Dru out*
6:49 The fat man in the room: Christmas is not a biblical holy day
9:37 Redeeming Christmas through better rituals?
11:23 An Hebraic spin on Advent
17:22 Distraction from the establishment of God's peace through Israel
19:51 The biblical argument against telling children there's a Santa Claus
21:41 Theologically rich Advent practices
*Despite her protestations, Celina has since admitted that Mariah Carey's "All I Want for Christmas Is You" totally slaps.
Show notes by Celina Durgin
Credits for the music TBM podcast: hebraicthought.org/credits.

Friday Nov 19, 2021
Toward an Integrated Liturgy of Work and Worship (Matthew Kaemingk)
Friday Nov 19, 2021
Friday Nov 19, 2021
There is a deep division between work and worship in the West. However, the worship of the ancient Israelites integrated the sanctuary into the streets. What are ways that our work today (even sending emails) can be celebrated and offered to God as a form of worship?
With reference to his book Work and Worship, Matthew Kaemingk explains how the tasks we do every single day can be integrated into our worship and daily liturgy.
Show notes:
0:26 Wandering minds during worship
2:02 Integrated life
2:58 Spiritual divide
4:34 Work and worship
6:13 How do we celebrate our work?
12:00 Corey Wilson
12:40 Imago Dei—workers
17:40 Grander work
20:02 Physical participation in the work of God
22:57 Rituals and liturgies
27:37 Gathering rituals, and honesty with God
30:21 When wealth intercedes for work
Show notes by Dominique LaCroix
Credits for the music TBM podcast: hebraicthought.org/credits.

Friday Nov 12, 2021
Crying for Justice: Why We Should Pray the ‘Angry‘ Psalms (Trevor Laurence)
Friday Nov 12, 2021
Friday Nov 12, 2021
Pleas for justice in the book of Psalms—the imprecatory psalms—can make some Christians uncomfortable. They're often passed over in the psalter during worship. How do petitions for justice map onto the mission of Jesus? How are imprecatory prayers compatible with commands to love our neighbors?
Though the Psalms contain many cries for vengeance, they also continually call readers back to a standard of holiness. Trevor Laurence discusses imprecatory prayers, the power of words to express profound pain to God, and how we can instinctively discern God and the world as we struggle through life.
Show notes:
0:26 How should Christians reconcile imprecatory prayers?
4:00 Logic in the request for vengeance and vindication
6:40 Callback to the covenant justice of God
8:36 Rhetorical violence
9:10 Deadly false accusations and the power of words
12:30 What we're missing in our worship
15:36 Profound pedagogies of prayer
17:11 Imagination and embodied experience
20:35 Ritual epistemology
21:34 If Trevor could design a church service
25:32 Policy and advocacy in the church
28:22 Liturgy: patterns that govern your life
Show notes by Dominique LaCroix
Credits for the music TBM podcast: hebraicthought.org/credits.

Friday Nov 05, 2021
Friday Nov 05, 2021
"Blackness is a part of American culture." Too often American Christianity is equated with white Christianity, while expressions of Black Christianity are overlooked. Continuing our series "By the Oppressed, to the Oppressed: How the Marginalized Church Reads Scripture," Esau McCaulley, author of Reading While Black, explains how American Black history has given Black Christians an important lens through which to understand Scripture, and how power can actually be a distorting lens. When people hear biblical interpretations they might have missed because of their own experiences, the narrative can change.
Show notes:
0:27 When we misunderstand what we see and hear
3:08 Black Bible reading
6:33 Expressions of Black Christianity
11:36 Distorting the influence of power
16:03 The "Slave Bible"
23:48 Suffering and biblical interpretation
27:14 The use of the Bible in the Civil War
28:24 We need a fuller range of interpretations
34:33 Reevaluating your theological perspective
Show notes by Dominique LaCroix
Credits for the music TBM podcast: hebraicthought.org/credits.

Wednesday Nov 03, 2021
Understanding Supersessionism and the Controversy over a TBM Article (Ari Lamm)
Wednesday Nov 03, 2021
Wednesday Nov 03, 2021
A couple of weeks ago, The Biblical Mind published an article by Michael LeFebvre titled Jesus Restored the Original Purpose of the Law in the New Testament. Some readers expressed concern that the article endorsed supersessionist views. Not intending to suggest supersessionism, Michael revised some language in the article to address the concerns. It was retitled Jesus' Concept of the Law in the New Testament. Some Christians readers said they didn't fully understand the reaction.
In response, Rabbi Dr. Ari Lamm joined the podcast to explain supersessionism, the relationship between Christianity and Judaism, and the reaction to some language in Michael's original article.
Show notes:
0:26 What the original title possibly conveyed
4:30 The relationship between Judaism and Christianity
8:01 Integration of "new" and "old"
9:40 Marcion's argument
14:34 Supersessionism
18:58 Intention with words
23:00 Response to comments
30:50 Ari's stance on the article
48:20 Why is "legalism" a bad word?
55:06 The Pharisees are too lenient
Show notes by Dominique LaCroix
Credits for the music TBM podcast: hebraicthought.org/credits.

Friday Oct 29, 2021
Prosperity, Responsibility, and Economics in the Torah (Michael Eisenberg)
Friday Oct 29, 2021
Friday Oct 29, 2021
Does the Torah mention wealth redistribution? What is the purpose of leaving the corners of your field unharvested? What economic system does the Torah advocate, and how would one live in accordance with it? Join us this week as Michael Eisenberg discusses these questions and more, covered his latest book, The Tree of Life and Prosperity.
Show notes:
0:26 Is the Torah capitalist or socialist? Or . . . ?
4:00 Abraham and empowerment
5:40 Genesis: prescriptive vs. descriptive
8:33 Is "wealth" a bad word?
10:37 Modern example: CEO of Salesforce
11:39 Charity (tzedakah)
14:11 Difference between Adam Smith and Torah
17:49 Fruitfulness
22:40 "Justice with no incarceration"
Show notes by Dominique LaCroix
Credits for the music TBM podcast: hebraicthought.org/credits.

Friday Oct 22, 2021
How the Marginalized Church Reads the Bible, Part 1: Vince Bantu
Friday Oct 22, 2021
Friday Oct 22, 2021
New CHT fellow Dr. Vince Bantu of Fuller Theological Seminary is back on the podcast, this time to discuss the how historically marginalized and oppressed parts of the church understand Scripture better than the dominant church does—from the early church to the African church to the Black church in the U.S. today. Dr. Bantu and Dru explore the interpretive advantages that the lack of political and social power can confer on readers of the Bible—a book written largely by people who suffered oppression and exile.
Show notes:
0:00 The dominant church vs. the marginalized church
6:10 Imperial Christendom and the temptation of political power
13:08 Dualisms of the white church that the Black church doesn't have
20:03 The Black church's grasp on biblical righteousness and justice
29:27 God's providence and the West African slave trade
36:35 The white church's incomplete gospel
Show notes by Celina Durgin
Credits for the music used in TBM podcast.

Friday Oct 15, 2021
Two Upcoming Series, Feat. Esau McCaulley, Rachael Denhollander, Others
Friday Oct 15, 2021
Friday Oct 15, 2021
Starting 10/22:
"By the Oppressed to the Oppressed: How the Marginalized Church Reads the Bible," featuring Vince Bantu, Esau McCaulley, Lisa Bowens, and Anthony Bradley
Upcoming
Series on repentance and reconciliation, featuring Rachael and Jacob Denhollander, and others TBD

Friday Oct 08, 2021
Making Leaders Who Can Make Disciples (The Pillar Seminary)
Friday Oct 08, 2021
Friday Oct 08, 2021
The Pillar Seminary was founded to address persistent problems in churches and their leadership. Its students not only receive a Scripture-first education—as opposed to theology-first—but also quickly begin practicing what they're taught.
The purpose of studying the biblical texts is to be transformed by them. True "head knowledge" of Scripture involves "heart knowledge"; by practicing biblical principles, we can understand the text better.
Join us this week as Scott Booth, Dan Lowery, and Donnell J. Moore discuss how Pillar's approach to seminary and studying Scripture ultimately transforms students, equipping them to lead in their local churches, make disciples, and meet needs effectively within their ministries.
Show Notes:
0:26 Purpose of the program
2:08 Common core for Bible and leadership
3:23 Leadership training
10:39 Bible classes for the purpose of transformation
11:52 Head knowledge and heart knowledge
14:28 Spiritual autobiography
18:17 Equipped by God
21:37 What is the mission?
22:33 Journeying through the text
28:41 What's the meal, where's the deal?
31:37 Reading the Bible three times through
Show notes by Dominique LaCroix
Credits for the music used in TBM podcast.

Friday Oct 01, 2021
Why Jesus‘ Judaism Matters (Jen Rosner)
Friday Oct 01, 2021
Friday Oct 01, 2021
Many Christians know that Jesus was a Jew, but they don't necessarily think much about this fact or grasp its significance. In this episode, Jen Rosner discusses the importance of recognizing that Jesus embraced his Jewish identity in his lifetime, and the implications of his Judaism for the church and for our understanding of the New Testament today.
Show notes:
0:27 Encountering the New Testament as a Jew
3:07 Shelving Judaism (for a time)
7:54 Keeping Second-Temple Judaism alive
11:03 Straying from our roots
15:05 Paul's Torah observance
20:08 Jesus, Torah-observant Jew
21:32 Healed by the tzitzit on his garments
23:39 Ritual purity and adding layers to the text
25:11 Jesus did not come to abolish the law
26:29 Jen's recommended reads
31:50 Pertaining to the land and Zionism
Show notes by Dominique LaCroix
Credits for the music used in TBM podcast.






